Fred.... Are we debating Guns or Matches..?? Your feeble justifications of using other types of crime to defend gun crime has no relevance to this debate... But wait, we might actually be getting somewhere...
You agree that Bryant wouldn't have been able to kill 35 people with a knife, but he was EASILY able to do this with a gun that was readily available from a licensed local gun dealer... So it would be fair to say that up to 35 people would still be alive today if it wasn't for those guns right..??
So, in this one situation we agree that if Bryant didn't have access to guns then people would still be alive today.... So how is that different to any other gun related homicide or suicide in the rest of Australia..??
If the guns weren't available then people couldn't be shot - simple.... Well, for some....
A Psycho with a knife in his hand will cause 7 times less death than one with a gun...
Yes, we are upset by people such as the example you used, but how often does this happen in Australia compared to Switzerland..?? In Switzerland they had 14 family murder suicides in 12 months (with a population 1/3 the size of Australia) with "most" being committed with the government issue firearms "safely" kept at home... Imagine for a moment if we did that in Australia........................................ Still Imagining..??............................................................... OK.......................................................... Would Australia put up with 42 similar murders committed "mostly" with firearms kept at home..??
You see Fred, that's the reality of weapons in homes... You are 4.8 times more likely to have a suicide and 2.7 times more likely to have a homicide in your home if there's a gun there...
But hey, at least you can take out a Myna Bird when they show up...
I might remind you that Switzerland has the HIGHEST Rate of gun suicide in the whole of Europe... Or doesn't gun suicide matter..??
Nath.. _________________ Back by popular demand...... Just a day out fishing with my mum...
just watched 60 minutes, didnt see a good case for gun control, but did see how what happens when fragile people in our community are allowed to slip through the cracks
We blame the guns, the symptoms, not the cause.
This will keep happening around the world, not until we ban the guns but until we start investing billions more in mental health
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: Re:
Koorilad wrote:
just watched 60 minutes, didnt see a good case for gun control, but did see how what happens when fragile people in our community are allowed to slip through the cracks
We blame the guns, the symptoms, not the cause.
This will keep happening around the world, not until we ban the guns but until we start investing billions more in mental health
What i saw is what happens when fragile people can EASILY get their hands on guns... If it wasn't so easy for somebody of Bryant's intellect to get the guns in the first place then chances are this would not have happened... The "cause" was a crazy guy with a gun, that's why 35 people died... He destroyed lives and shot children at point blank range - pretty hard to do without a gun...
Actually SK, most people supported tighter gun control after this incident... Which is why the government did something about it...
Nath.. _________________ Back by popular demand...... Just a day out fishing with my mum...
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: Re:
The Weapon is on... wrote:
Fred.... Are we debating Guns or Matches..?? Your feeble justifications of using other types of crime to defend gun crime has no relevance to this debate... But wait, we might actually be getting somewhere...
Dream on.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
You agree that Bryant wouldn't have been able to kill 35 people with a knife, but he was EASILY able to do this with a gun that was readily available from a licensed local gun dealer... So it would be fair to say that up to 35 people would still be alive today if it wasn't for those guns right..??
No. Nobody has ever been charged, to the best of my knowledge, with supplying firearms to Bryant, who was NOT licensed. Another example of a non-law abiding shooter acting outside the law. Not a sporting shooter, and not a farmer.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
So, in this one situation we agree that if Bryant didn't have access to guns then people would still be alive today.... So how is that different to any other gun related homicide or suicide in the rest of Australia..??
No. Anybody in that mental state is capable of almost anything. This was not a spur of the moment thing. It was reported to be planned for weeks.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
If the guns weren't available then people couldn't be shot - simple.... Well, for some....
If there were no licensed shooters, and no licensed guns, people would still be shot in Australia. Lots of them. Generally, 93 per cent of all firearms used in murders in NSW are unlicensed and unregistered.
And if by magic all firearms could be located and destroyed in real time in perpetuity, there would still be homicide. Eighteen of the 89 killings during 2006-2007 in NSW were due to injuries inflicted by hands or feet, eight by a blunt instrument and three by a firearm. It is possible method displacement may have taken place even in the the three firearm incidents.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
A Psycho with a knife in his hand will cause 7 times less death than one with a gun...
Another very silly statement. One can imagine no shortage of scenarios in which a knife could be more dangerous than the average long arm of the average shooter. Both easy to conceal and silent. Remember, knives have long since overtaken guns as the main murder weapon Australia-wide. There are around 15x more knife murders.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
Yes, we are upset by people such as the example you used, but how often does this happen in Australia compared to Switzerland..??
No idea - maybe you should research it. But I do know that for every gun homicide in NSW, which are almost ALL carried out NOT by legal sporting or farmer shooters, there are 15 knife/sharp object homicides.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
You see Fred, that's the reality of weapons in homes... You are 4.8 times more likely to have a suicide and 2.7 times more likely to have a homicide in your home if there's a gun there...
Been there on this one. See above.
The Weapon is on... wrote:
But hey, at least you can take out a Myna Bird when they show up...
Yep, have to protect the all important biodiversity of Australia.
The Common Myna or Indian Myna (Acridotheres tristis) also sometimes spelled Mynah, is a member of family Sturnidae, (starlings and mynas) native to Asia.
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The myna has been introduced in many other parts of the world and its distribution range is on the increase. It is a serious threat to the ecosystems of Australia.
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The Common Myna uses the nests of woodpeckers, parakeets, etc. and easily takes to nest boxes; it has been recorded evicting the chicks of previously nesting pairs by holding them in the beak and later sometimes not even using the emptied nest boxes. This aggressive behaviour is considered to contribute to its success as an invasive species.
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This aggressiveness has enabled the Common Myna to displace many breeding pairs of native hollow-nesters, thereby reducing their reproductive success. In particular, the reproduction rates of native hollow-nesting parrots in the bush land of eastern Australia have been reduced by up to 80% by the Common Myna (which was even able to out-compete another aggressive introduced species in the area, the European Starling).
The Common Myna is also known to maintain up to two roosts simultaneously; a temporary summer roost close to a breeding site (where the entire local male community sleeps during the summer, the period of highest aggression), and a permanent all-year roost where the female broods and incubates overnight. Both male and female Common Mynas will fiercely protect both roosts at all times, leading to further exclusion of native birds.
An ecological menace all right.
Weapon wrote:
I might remind you that Switzerland has the HIGHEST Rate of gun suicide in the whole of Europe... Or doesn't gun suicide matter..??
Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: Re:
Koorilad wrote:
Nath, ever thought of moving to Libya or somewhere with a mad dictator.
You seem so happy to forego all your rights and things that make this country the lucky country.
You could live in somewhere like Iraq and only ever have just what you NEED no excess, no fun nothing. Sounds right up your alley
Kel...are you feeling okay??....the things you've mentioned are exactly the way this country is heading under Dullard.Have you heard of the Fabian Socialists?..of which your beloved Ghoulard is a member.
You side with the very bunch of leftist criminals that count Hugo Chavez as their friend.
There are heaps of Right-leaning people with a social conscience - but abhorr socialism.
I weep for this country, I really do.
PS:Remember when a delegation of aborigines went to Libya to get help from Gaddafi??
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