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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Con

Knew there had to be a good reason for your username & now i know laughing-fish.gif laughing-fish.gif

People like you really need to look into things b4 opening your mouths else you're just plain Malakas & there's quite a few here i can assure you of that laughing-fish.gif

Once upon a time yes a licence was required that was back in the dark ages when VHF's were analog.

2megs still require licencing & yes i have both.

People like yourself are to easily influenced by pub talk & are quick to pass on that chat as gospel.

You're alson influenced by mobs like the coast gaurd & other companies offering the courses

I know you & others aren't to bright so i'll quote from The Australian Communications and Media Authority

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Maritime ship station class licence
Under a class licence, all users operate in the same spectrum segment on a shared basis and are subject to the same conditions. A class licence governs the frequencies that may be used, commonly prescribes equipment standards, and may specify other technical and operational parameters. Class licences do not have to be applied for and licence fees are not applicable.

The Maritime Ship Station class licence authorises the conditional operation of: maritime ship stations on designated channels in the 27 MHz and VHF maritime bands on a shared basis, certain UHF on-board communications equipment and navigation radars.

Use of frequencies other than those detailed in the class licence must be authorised by a separate apparatus licence. Licence fees apply.



Good chance you wont understand it not dissimilar to this comment

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As for the 'crystals'........please take me to hospital, I've split my sides laughing


Do you even know the function of a crystal in a radio or have the vaguest idea what it is confused-fish.gif confused-fish.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JG - as far as I can seen, the VHF radio certificate of proficiency is a current requirement. This is off the AMCA website this arvo:

What is the legal basis for the requirement to have a certificate of proficiency?

The International Telecommunication Union (ITU) is an international organisation within the United Nations system where governments and the private sector coordinate global communications networks and services. The ITU's Radio Regulations require that marine radios (including those communicating with satellites) using international maritime frequencies are controlled by an operator holding a certificate of proficiency. They also require that staff on duty at coast stations and coast Earth stations are properly qualified to operate these stations efficiently.

The Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA) has translated this requirement into licence conditions under the Radiocommunications Act 1992. This means that operators of marine radios on vessels and at maritime coast stations, other than those operating solely on 27 MHz frequencies, are required to hold a relevant Australian marine radio operator's certificate of proficiency or an equivalent overseas qualification.

While a marine radio certificate of proficiency is not required to operate a 27 MHz marine radio, the ACMA recommends that operators of these radios hold at least the MROVCP qualification, so that they are able to use their radios competently in emergencies.

What are the penalties?

A person operating a VHF marine radio without holding an appropriate certificate of proficiency or being under the supervision of an appropriately qualified person, may be breaching the Radiocommunications Act. Penalties include significant fines and imprisonment.[/b]
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

JayyyyyGee wrote:
I know you & others aren't to bright so i'll quote from The Australian Communications and Media Authority

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Maritime ship station class licence
Under a class licence, all users operate in the same spectrum segment on a shared basis and are subject to the same conditions. A class licence governs the frequencies that may be used, commonly prescribes equipment standards, and may specify other technical and operational parameters. Class licences do not have to be applied for and licence fees are not applicable.

The Maritime Ship Station class licence authorises the conditional operation of: maritime ship stations on designated channels in the 27 MHz and VHF maritime bands on a shared basis, certain UHF on-board communications equipment and navigation radars.

Use of frequencies other than those detailed in the class licence must be authorised by a separate apparatus licence. Licence fees apply.





Sorry J-G you are delusional on this one. The MARITIME SHIP STATION CLASS LICENCE referred to on the page you quote states:

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Radiocommunications (Maritime Ship Station — 27 MHz and VHF) Class Licence 2001

7 Operator qualifications

(1) A person must not operate a maritime ship station on frequencies in the VHF band unless the person:

(a) is qualified to operate the station; or

(b) is operating the station under the supervision of a person who is qualified to operate the station.

(2) A person is qualified to operate the station if the person holds:

(a) a Restricted Radio Operator’s Certificate of Proficiency, Marine Radio Operator’s Certificate of Proficiency or Marine Radio Operator’s VHF Certificate of Proficiency; or

(b) qualifications recognised by the ACA as being equivalent to the qualifications mentioned in paragraph (a).


See http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2009C00052 - the actual CLASS LICENCE for the SHIP STATION (not the OPERATOR).

The law is absolutely plain on this. To operate a VHF radio you need a Certificate of Proficiency or equivalent qualification.

Sure the crystals you are on aren't the meth variety? laughing-fish.gif
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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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JG - as far as I can seen, the VHF radio certificate of proficiency is a current requirement.


Peter it dosen't worry me cause i've had it 20 years back the VHF's were not that common you could even use them to make phone calls not that you would cause you'd have to 1st get a bank loan to pay the bill.

The non licence requirement i put up in my 1st post didn't come off the top of my head it came from a dealer in that sort of gear when i went with a mate to pick out a new VHF for his boat.

We were shown 2 models told the GE 600 did not require a licence to operate but the other models did i asked why.

The other model had 2 additition crystals & for those who can only think of meth
Crystals are the term for channels.

Next time you're near an establishment that specialises in radio's drop in & see if you get the same response as i did.



fredfish i may or may not be delusional on this one
Tell me does one need a certificate to operate a 27 meg confused-fish.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some VHF radios that have say 8 channels ,these do not require a license, A full crystelled VHF requires the user to have a C.O.P.

A vessel with a registered ships station requires the user to have a C.O.P.

Recentley laws changed so Ships Stations where only required for commercial vessels.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The non licence requirement i put up in my 1st post didn't come off the top of my head it came from a dealer in that sort of gear when i went with a mate to pick out a new VHF for his boat."

Jayygee,
People like yourself are to easily influenced by slick sales talk & are quick to pass on that chat as gospel.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

JayyyyyGee wrote:
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JG - as far as I can seen, the VHF radio certificate of proficiency is a current requirement.


Peter it dosen't worry me cause i've had it 20 years back the VHF's were not that common you could even use them to make phone calls not that you would cause you'd have to 1st get a bank loan to pay the bill.

The non licence requirement i put up in my 1st post didn't come off the top of my head it came from a dealer in that sort of gear when i went with a mate to pick out a new VHF for his boat.

We were shown 2 models told the GE 600 did not require a licence to operate but the other models did i asked why.

The other model had 2 additition crystals & for those who can only think of meth
Crystals are the term for channels.

Next time you're near an establishment that specialises in radio's drop in & see if you get the same response as i did.



fredfish i may or may not be delusional on this one
Tell me does one need a certificate to operate a 27 meg confused-fish.gif


Fair enough Jay. Sounds like Bwana agrees with you, although the common form of VHF these days has a lot more than 8 channels.

Regardless; the main problem I've found in researching this is that its not so easy to find a a VHF C.O.P. Invigilator who is readily available. I tried a few places in Melbourne's east and didn't have a lot of luck. Anyone have any suggestions ...?

Oh JG for your benefit an inviligator is not someone addicted to meth or crystals ... laughing-fish.gif laughing-fish.gif
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding is that a class licence applies for marine chanels and that is why dealers sell boats with vhf radios. The following is from the ACMA website.
Maritime ship station class licence
Under a class licence, all users operate in the same spectrum segment on a shared basis and are subject to the same conditions. A class licence governs the frequencies that may be used, commonly prescribes equipment standards, and may specify other technical and operational parameters. Class licences do not have to be applied for and licence fees are not applicable.

The Maritime Ship Station class licence authorises the conditional operation of: maritime ship stations on designated channels in the 27 MHz and VHF maritime bands on a shared basis, certain UHF on-board communications equipment and navigation radars.

Use of frequencies other than those detailed in the class licence must be authorised by a separate apparatus licence. Licence fees apply.
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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must've said it a dozen times or so

I only enter topics i know something about & no i dont google my info comes straight out of my melon.

Did google the quote in my 2nd post was just looking for relevant info in case i was misled.

But after reading that which i quoted was satisfied i was not misled

I really cant understand how people can just google & not absorb/comprehend that which they are reading.

To me one giveaway was 27 meg & VHF being used in the same sentence by Communications and Media Authority.

Thats why i asked freddyboy the Q in case there was something i was missing.

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Fair enough Jay. Sounds like Bwana agrees with you, although the common form of VHF these days has a lot more than 8 channels.


GE 600 dosen't require certification &it is a very common unit

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Regardless; the main problem I've found in researching this is that its not so easy to find a a VHF C.O.P. Invigilator who is readily available.


Like everything these days you can do it on line

To those who's only purpose on this site is to follow JG around hell bent on miserably prooving him wrong confused-fish.gif

Wake up to yourselves Tom Cruise is the Mission Impossible Man you's can eat all the lamb roasts you's like it wont help you's laughing-fish.gif

If you's honestly think you're good enough to make fun of JG confused-fish.gif


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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