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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guess you didn't take up reading lessons when you were locked up confused-fish.gif

Did i not suggest peeps make their own inquiries & make up their own minds confused-fish.gif

Was this not also posted by someone else whom i believe has a commercial lskippers ticket

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There are some VHF radios that have say 8 channels ,these do not require a license, A full crystelled VHF requires the user to have a C.O.P.

A vessel with a registered ships station requires the user to have a C.O.P.

Recentley laws changed so Ships Stations where only required for commercial vessels.


Tell me probation boy

Do you require a licence to purchase a unit or have it sitting in your boat confused-fish.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Radiocommunications (Maritime Ship Station - 27 MHz and VHF) Class Licence 2001

7 Operator qualifications

(1) A person must not operate a maritime ship station on frequencies in the ******VHF band****** unless the person:

(a) is qualified to operate the station; or

(b) is operating the station under the supervision of a person who is qualified to operate the station.

(2) A person is qualified to operate the station if the person holds:

(a) a Restricted Radio Operator's Certificate of Proficiency, Marine Radio Operator's Certificate of Proficiency or Marine Radio Operator's VHF Certificate of Proficiency; or

(b) qualifications recognised by the ACA as being equivalent to the qualifications mentioned in paragraph (a).


Black and white, in legislation.

Do you have a COP?
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Kerry


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the legislation is straight forward and in summary

- A VHF radio (itself) is covered by a class license as far as installation is concerned. There are no longer any fees or charges to do this.

- Operation of said radio comes under certificate of proficency requirements which requires a person to obtain that certificate

Anybody wanting to make it confusing would have to have crystals in their head confused-fish.gif .
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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not the one making it cofusing @ all you lot are

Let's see we have freddy boy posting requirements for a COP
Stating both 27 MHz and VHF radio's

Now as far as i'm aware licence has not been required for a
27 MHz for 30 + years yet it still appears on the document.

One can only conclude laws do change but documents dont & i wouldn't rule out what i was told that a cop is not required for certain VHF sets

Go find out for yourselves i'm not going to go do your homework
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Rum Dust N Ruckus


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Let's see we have freddy boy posting requirements for a COP
Stating both 27 MHz and VHF radio's


Maybe you should read which is written my friend laughing-fish.gif

It's even in bold!! hahaha!

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Radiocommunications (Maritime Ship Station - 27 MHz and VHF) Class Licence 2001

7 Operator qualifications

(1) A person must not operate a maritime ship station on frequencies in the ******VHF band****** unless the person:

(a) is qualified to operate the station; or

(b) is operating the station under the supervision of a person who is qualified to operate the station.

(2) A person is qualified to operate the station if the person holds:

(a) a Restricted Radio Operator's Certificate of Proficiency, Marine Radio Operator's Certificate of Proficiency or Marine Radio Operator's VHF Certificate of Proficiency; or

(b) qualifications recognised by the ACA as being equivalent to the qualifications mentioned in paragraph (a).

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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't miss that @ all Spudley
I was refering to why 27 MHz was included on top of document

But hey keep trying laughing-fish.gif laughing-fish.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So its clearly now established that under current rules, you must hold a COP to operate any two way radio in the VHF band.

A technical question then .... is it within the rules to have a VHF radio installed in your boat, as long as you dont operate it? And assuming there is no other person on board who holds the VHF COP?
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JayyyyyGee


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends if that doc is current peter
Does date back to 2001
Twas only recently that i was told what i posted

There's no law that says you cant have one installed on boat nor is a licence required to do so.

You can turn it on you can listen

Tis only when transcieving does cop apply
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayyyyyGee the depths of your doughballness really know no bounds!

"Radiocommunications (Maritime Ship Station - 27 MHz and VHF) Class Licence 2001" is the ***TITLE*** of the legislation/regulation.

The Class Licence contains regulations pertaining to both 27 Mhz and VHF. The section in question, 7, contains NO REFERENCE WHATSOEVER TO 27 Mhz. That much would be clear, by, you know, using that skill we call comprehension of the English language.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Reply with quote

Peter35 wrote:
So its clearly now established that under current rules, you must hold a COP to operate any two way radio in the VHF band.

A technical question then .... is it within the rules to have a VHF radio installed in your boat, as long as you dont operate it? And assuming there is no other person on board who holds the VHF COP?


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A person must not operate a maritime ship station on frequencies in the VHF band


The word "operate" is subject to interpretation. It could be further defined in the Licence, defined elsewhere in legislation, or have been subject to interpretation in case law. Is turning on a radio, and listening to one of the specified frequencies in the VHF Band, "operating" the radio? Maybe. Note the training handbook for the COP contains plenty of material relating to the reception of transmissions.

In practical terms though, who is going to bust you? Nobody.

But why on earth would you want to have a VHF radio and not be able to operate it? I did my COP with the local coastal patrol radio guy and it took less than a day, was informal, informative, and at the end of the day everybody passed the exam for the full MROCOP. Our instructor didn't even give people the option of the more restricted MROVHFCOP, so we all became qualified to operate HF equipment as well.

And without it, how are you going to bounce a VHF transmission off the Mt Imlay repeater 80km into the Green Cape canyons back to VMR 201?

You will also need a COP to get a Maritime Mobile Service Identity (MMSI) so you can hook your GPS up to your DSC capable VHF radio and send an automated distress signal identifying your vessel and position with the press of a button.
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