Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:40 am Post subject: Re:
Well said opti, 100% agree.
Fishing is meant to be fun after all. It's only fishing.
In my life I have been in 3 situations on the water that I regretted, two were a bit out of my control as I was on someone else's boat and I was not in command.
Aa2012, you raise a good point but on the other hand who knows\who can say whether an Edencraft, formula, Couta, Haines etc etc would have rolled had it been the only boat out there at that precise moment? Could be a bad coincidence for Evolution.
Point is they should not have been out there. I read a statement by a some charter skipper on one of the Newcastle papers, he headed half way out and turned around and headed back, he had a bigger boat can't remember the side, but he was amazed when he saw the Evo passing them on the way out when they were heading in.
I spose I'm more looking back to the same outcome that occured at the entrance at Patterson River. I dont see it being about a brand as much as I see the outcome. I'd say the same if it was EC or Haines or Caribbean or Coota or whichever brand. I cant recall the last time any of these brands were mentioned in the media with rollovers and more than 1 regardless of the situation. Last rollovers I recall was the Markham Dominator Cat which earnt the name Rollinator as several had rolled over. I dont know if they are still building them but who would buy a cat which are supposed to be the most stable boat, with a history of rolling over?
JG, what are u smoking bro and can i get some? lol
Cant see the similarity in the two incidents. The most recent one obviously very different conditions to that in PPB.
Having just returned from Eden where we chose not to fish the bigger, uglier conditions a few days ago, there were plenty who tried. The one problem that no brand can control - Evo, HH, CC, Edencraft, Formula, etc etc - is whether their customers are experienced or intelligent. I'm not referring to the people off Port Stephens, but clearly there are plenty out there that lack brains or experience. _________________
quoted from the above government link
How long before a distress signal is
A distress beacon alert is usually detected by the RCC
within minutes. If your distress beacon has an encoded
GPS location capability, this information will also be
sent to the RCC and your position becomes known.
If emergency contacts are aware of trip details or trip
details have been submitted online, search operations
can be commenced much sooner. If the RCC has to rely
on polar-orbiting satellites to determine the location of
a beacon, the time to gain an accurate position may be
longer, potentially delaying search operations.
NOTE: Polar-orbiting satellites over-fly the
Australian region on average every 90 minutes but
passes may be anywhere from minutes to five hours
apart. To improve response times, ensure distress
beacons are registered and inform emergency
contacts of trip details
These boats are supposed to have a very very high initial stability reportatly as good at rest as a cat.
A high initialy stability normally results in a low ultimate stability (exactly the same for a cat and shalllow V mono hulls) which means worst case being tipped over the boat is less likely to self right.
A very deep V hull which rocks around at rest and most people would say has a poor stability at rest ie low initial stability typically has a very high ultimate stability and will be more likely to self right.
Whilst very few people (and we all hope we never have to) test the ultimate stability of there boat it can be the difference between a boat that stays upright and a boat that rolls over.
This could be the reason this boat tipped over but I think anyone with common sense would agree that given the conditions and much bigger boats turning back this boat should have never been in this situation in the first place.
that chopper should have been dispatched in minutes.
If its available, then yes. They're not just there to rescue boaties. It could have been at a vehicle crash site, it could have already been on task chasing false beacons, it could have been up flying for 2 hours trying to get a fix on their actual beacon. Any number of reasons why it wasn't there in a few minutes.
Please remember that helicopters also have to take into account the weather conditions. You might be in the sea bobbing around as a result of going out in crap conditions, but the same weather conditions could also keep the aircraft on the ground for several hours.
Just because your activate your beacon, doesn't mean rescue will happen immediately !
Lol at thinking they should
Immediately send out a chopper that costs thousands per hour to send up
Becon response received
Home number called
Mobile number called
Emergency rescue closest called to see if the boat has logged in
If so the local rescue will try to contact the boat by radio or even check the carpark to see if the trailer is in the car park
Then the decision is made with what available and or suitable vehicles are ready to find the vehicle
Sometimes commercial aviation is asked to keep an eye out
If a chopper is available you still have to wait for it to prep board takeof and fly to the location
If a boat is available it could take a few hours to get to you
If you have the cheap spurn they have to search a 5km square grid for you
If you gave the gps epirb they have a smaller area to search
People still die in the water even with life jackets and epirbs
Thanks for posting about response times, it raised a number of questions so I went looking for answers.
I'm kicking myself now for buying the non GPS version.
Response time of the LEO satellite , on average, takes 90 minutes to pick up the signal and because of conditions, may not pick up the signal for 5 hours, so as you say, response time was very acceptable.
My only thought is that could be too late if hypothermia was an issue.
The Geostationary satellite however will pick the signal up in seconds if it's sighted.
Something else I learnt is that you can log on on-line for a days fishing and give exactly the same details as you do to the VMR.
I wonder how many people do that?
It's been a useful post for me.
It was mentioned earlier that 2 Evo's had rolled over. Has anyone actually contacted the manufacturer and found out the reason why the first rolled ?? If they did and saw the maritime report perhaps they could then comment with actual facts.
Until the report on the second incident is finalised, everyone's comments are pure supposition, unless of course you were in the boat, and no one yet has said they were. So fess up if all of you saying it did this, and it did that, if you were in the boat and really know what happened. Of course the information you have comes from your best mates, cousin's, sister's uncles, brother, so of course it just has to be accurate.
Go into records of all maritime incidents involving small craft. How often is the actual design of the craft at fault? How often does the boat actually break without having been abused. Nearly all "accidents" are the result of negligence, incompetence, inexperience, or just plain stupidity of the skipper.
So as I said before, try and wait for the facts of what happened, instead of sledging any manufacturer, that happens to have a boat involved in an "accident" with comment based on rumour and supposition.
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