when did Toyota go soft

[propbender]

I have a 100 series TD, just starting to wonder if i did the right thing buying this, in four years i owned it i had a few problems, Enough to piss me of a tad, its just about time for up/downgrade, I dont want a 200series as yet as i have been reading these are having problems also, I do the Weipa to Townsville/Cairns quite a few times a year, my ol 80series was a gem and not once in the 8years i owned it had a drama with it, Thinking maybe down grade back to the 80series, I dont want a Patrol or Prado as yet

I know a few will ask what problems i had


1: rear diff center failed (crown and pinon)

2: Gearbox.. 3rd and 5th gear failed.. now i know as to why Cairns keep so many gearboxes in stock, its a common problem

3: Right hand front wheel collapsed...( but Toyota said that was my fault as i put ARB after market springs and shocks)


I spoke to a builder in Innisfail who has the new v8 ute and he has gone thru 3 diffs, so the big Q is when did Toyota go soft, for me im thinking straight after the ol 80series or do i have a lemon and the 100series is a good bus
Cheers
Darren

[frozenpod]

Toyota diffs have never been great and this goes back 30 plus years. Nissan use IMO the best OEM diffs but nissans have there own issues as well.

Do you have a manual or auto?

[propbender]

Hi FP mine is the Manual, Yes have heard the horrors on the ol 3l Patrol, are the new ones ok?

Darren

[frozenpod]

No idea on the 3.0lt patrols; every one I have looked at diesel vs the petrol the diesel option did not add up. But due to tight petrol emission restrictions and slack diesel emissions diesels may soon but the only option.

Quite a few toyota manuals have been crap over the years and 3rd gear is a common failure point, common cause is the separation of the gears due to torque bending the shafts. Those which are strong enough normally have terrible notchy shifts.

Toyota autos on the other hand are the best in the world.

Nissan have great manuals but sadly there autos are crappola and sadly the 2010 4.8lt patrol only came in auto .

[SG67]

Hi darren,the l/c you own is one of the best toyo has ever made,i bought mine 8 months ago and didnt look back,mine is the 5sp auto.As with evey manufacture their is issues.

[fin101]

Is it an IFS front end, did it trash it's A arm?? have you owned it from new, diff failure?? any clues as to why it failed?? Who did your servicing? You will need or have had it fixed I presume. Patrols are heaps tougher, especially in the driveline, in fact I believe they are way more tougher in every area.go . ARB are really just fitters and not engineers, just because they fit this stuff to your fourby doesn't mean it has been done correctly, do one thing, and odds on something else goes out of wack , how many of them check/change the castors and all the other little bits and pieces when they fit up your new suspension system, not taking toyotas side here but a lot of damage can be done by fitting stuff that really does not suit your vehicle or that has been fitted in a poor manner disregarding potential probs that can arise. Do you want another diesel or a petrol? Sadly real 4x4s have gone the way of the dodo, Nissan only needed to make a new decent big bore diesel and left everything else as it was and a lot of people including me would have been a hell of a lot happier, and Nissans rep would not be in tatters with most offroaders, sorry I'm l getting carried away. I currently have the last model of the 100 series and reckon it's not as solid compared to my old patrols and IFS front ends give me the shytes. Toyotas have probs in this area too. It's not by chance
that whenever you go to an offroad event or gymkhana the majority of the rigs are patrols. Depending on your needs a good 2nd hand 4.8 may be worth thinking about, carn't kill them with a sled hammer, gas guzzler though and quite a culture shock from a td land crab. Bit of a difficult one this really, not a lot of choices nowadays.

[SG67]

Fin you are correct about the patrol being one of the best real 4x4s left in this world,but its shame the td42 cant match toyotas 100 td (1hdfte)in every aspect.The landcruiser is a more comfy on sealed & corrigated roads,but not as good as the patrol in full 4x4ing.
One of the main reason ther l/c ifs front end cv shit them selves is because wind up the torsion bar up way too much,causing too much angle,otherwise its not too bad.

When i sold my swb gq last year,it was either a l/c 100 turbo diesel or a nissan patrol iv 4.2,i ended up with the l/c.
This was because nissan didnt offer auto,also nissan couldnt match the toyos engine.With the correct maintance both should last for yonks.

[fin101]

Yeah, people try to lift the ifs front ends via torsion bars etc and destroy the front ends geometry, A arms are well known to crack unless beefed up with welding on after market plates or replacements available from the US. It's easy to fix the front ends but not by someone who don't know what to do properly and within reason. The newer KDSS has some probs too on newer models, oil usage on 79s is well documented also. Wonder why both makers choose to do a lot of things they have done over the last few years, tougher they ain't, and not half as capable in my humble opinion, bloody Nissan bring out a 5.7 instead of a diesel, go figure.

[frozenpod]

Glad they are going petrol last thing I would want is a less powerful, more expensive, unreliable diesel.

[fin101]

Of course I would have wanted it to be reliable, unlike the 3ltr.