Don't assume because people fish landbased they know nothing, i churned out about 3000 lures and jet heads for my own product and someone else, including a new pattern i came up with and happily passed on. I'm not saying i know a lot but there sure are some LBG fisho's out there who know their stuff
What's that got to do with topic @ hand
As far as your LB'd efforts go i could've written the book on the subject so dont even go there.
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Sorry, but this sure sounds like an accusation to me ................. i would be pissed !!!!
Dont understand why you stuck your nose in where it dosen't belong
Q was directed @ Peter he knows where the Q came from personally i dont think he'll ever answer it _________________ Save The Fish, Eat a Pussy Cat
That's what happens in public forums, people stick their nose in and give their opinion if they want to. Seems to me in 9 months you have done plenty of that _________________ For my fishing adventures click here: Landbased fishing rocks !!
Why dont you tell us the reason certain sr pushers went walkabout from a certain boat for a few weeks back b4 the pakula brand hit the market was that not to study them or take a mould of them
Peter Pakula wrote:
Jay, names and times please, photos brands.
not guesswork. tell us the lures, show the pictures. Show the articles witten about what I wrote about.
Show me the originals I took molds of. Show the lures that logo eyes before mine, the folded insert.
Back it up Jay, you sem to know it all. Lets get it done while enough guys are alive enough to get it right. I've heard all these comments for many years and each time I've said show me, and in all that time nothing.
JayyyyyGee wrote:
Didn't accuse him of anything merely posted a Question to get a feel of how honest & the extent of his integrity.
That's just my whole point, you accuse the guy of knocking off a lure from a boat to study it and take a mold, then when he asked you to back yourself up, you CAN'T BACK YOURSELF. All you said was you wanted to see what he had to say about it.
The difference between you and me is, i would not make a comment like that in the first place _________________ For my fishing adventures click here: Landbased fishing rocks !!
Blueie:
"can i ask why you would call a cut face lure "changa" ?
i might be missing something if changa loved using these lures fair enough back in the day....
or are you are just rubbing it in his face"
I call lures any name, good if ist's short, there is no relevance to product with it's name, it's just a word. As I owned the trade mark, hope we've established that, and I wan't going to continue with the skirts colour I used it on a lure, which just happens to be a sliced head, and a really good one at that.
The Sprocket isn't famous because it was called the sprocket. It could have been called anything.
No Bluie no-body is rubbing anyones face in it..... but I have in the past used a lure name to piss someone off.
The Lure called the "Sherrif" was named after Leon Thomas's boat the 'sherrif'. He hated Pakula lures and me saying something tlike I had destroyed the charter boat industry and had belittled the art and craft of lure trolling because anyone could catch a fish on a Pakula Lure. This fitted squarly in Harboard tackle marketing that if you caught a fish on a hawaiian lure you showed you had expertise in trolling lures.
The Pakula Sherrif was incredibbly difficult to get to work so suited Leon's Philosophy. I don't think he ever ran one.
The lure with it's name was released at a club meeting with Leon present. Bluie I don't do things behind peoples back. I'm very up front with what I do. If I was going to rub Changas face in stuff it would be a public event. I have no intention of doing that. _________________
You've talked about "copy stuff" Peter.
Are you refering to lures that you think others have copied from your design,,, the way your lure business was sold and then re-purchased certainly caused some confusion I think,,particularly with registered names and who was allowed to use what,,
Yes the period after I bought the business back was causing massive confusion. I was confused too. The reasons will become apparent before this is over.
I bought 100% of Pakula Tackle, no-one else owned anything. I certainly gave Mario permission to do lots of things with the restriction that he did nothing to interfere with my agreements with my distributors, Freetime (now Rapala Freetime), Okuma and Composite Developments.
Yes, also this is about Zacs being copies of Pakula’s. But there are lots of copies of Pakula designs in lots of brands, but they were not made to confuse the market. The Black Magic Maggot and BFT’s are copies of Pakula shapes, but they don’t have packging, inserts or names that are similar to the original Pakula lures, so the market isn’t likely to confuse a Pakula with a Black Magic. Same as with Pakula Shapes used by Top Gun, MBT, Williamson, Black Pete, Bost, Tripic Lightning, BigT, Sure Strike and many more. Actually, what those companies have done isn’t illegal. Flopping lures also isn’t illegal as long as you do not make the lure look like the original so that it will be confused with the original. None of those companies claim that they designed the shapes that are Pakula’s. I do
or are you saying that others have accused you, behind your back, of copying others lure designs and have taken the credit as your own,
…….. Yes
have you ever done that?......
No, I have made several lures based on lures given to me and permission given to make them. As with the ‘Changa’ locknut that is noted on the website. I have never sold copies of others shapes commercially, nor do I remember making any for mates, but that may have happened before I went commercial and have never made a lure that would confuse anyone with the original. Nor have I used names used by other Lure Brands without their permission ie Evil (Peter Goadby) and I didn’t know Marlin Parker had a lure called Smoking JOE before I called one Smoking Jo. I asked his permission to use keep using it which was given. When I first made soft lures I referred to them as soft heads which pretty quickly resulted in a solicitors letter rom Mold Craft showing soft head as their trade mark, I stopped using the term and registered SofTease.
If you copy shapes, looks and other aspects of a product / brand you inevitably promote the original makers business which is commercially stupid. For example the success of a copy lure / shape is often given to the original brand, not the copy.
You say this:"Thrillseeker, that's just it, I have no idea."
Chnaga and Leon are implying through innuendo that I did wrong by Mario. I do not know what they are talking about. I have no idea what they mean, but I do mean to find out and I mean to sort it out.
And then you say that: "copy stuff and inuendo " What does that last quote refer to???
I think above has answered that. I want to know whick lures I am supossed to have copied. I'd like to see them and I want to know what I did wrong by Mario. _________________
Lots of lures left boats unrigged, and were returned rigged. Lots and lots of them. Sure I studided them. Did I flop them, sorry Jay, impossible, the molding method I used involved using Plastisol to make molds which is a heat melt material. Put a normal lure in that stuff and it explodes, even resin masters had a very limted life span before they cracked from the heat hence the early versions of long and short chuggers went through such a rapid change in the early days. You couldn't used a lure you'd previously made as a master, so new masters were made and modified.
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:06 am Post subject: Re:
Peter Pakula wrote:
Oh so that's what it's about, OK Changa I understand now.
There are several types of trade marks. If a company uses a name for a product and it has first use it owns the trade mark under common law. The only difference with registered trade mark is that through the hoops and investigations you need to pass to get a trade mark the trade mark office deems that you have the sole rights for the trade mark for lots of reasons, and it's easier to defend if the crap hits the fan which is why my Solictor advised I get all trade marks registered.
There is very little if any difference in owning a Common Law Trade Mark to owning a registered trade mark.
On every page and website there is a claim for copyright and trade marks at the bottom. I have copies of the pages should you wish to see them.
I bought all the IP which includes Registered Trade Marks, Common Law Trade Marks copyrights etc. Changa was part of the Common Law trade marks. You'll also note around the same time I registered lots of trade marks that were previosly common Law ones. So no there was nothing special about the registration of the Trade Mark: Changa.
Thats a very different response to your earlier one..
Pete, if i had a problem with you using my name i would have done something about it years ago, fact is , i didnt nor still dont have a problem with you using it..
BUT..... it doesnt make it right what you did.
Lets just leave it at that, you have twisted this topic into nothing but another slanderous Zacatak kill off which you constantly do, when that happens, nothing is achieved..
Over and out !
changa _________________ "here she comes..............We're on" !!
Changa normally the threads get deleted, this time hopefully we'll get there. You said or infered that I did something wrong by Mario. What did I do wrong by Mario?
This has to come to head now. I'll be back in Port Stephens quite a bit next season and I do not want the guys I'm with threatend as they have been in the past. I also don't want guys backing me up because they have been threatend in the past. So to avoid that lets get this done now. _________________
Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: Re:
I'm satisfied with all the answers you've supplied, it remains to be seen if others agree.
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Chnaga and Leon are implying through innuendo that I did wrong by Mario. I do not know what they are talking about. I have no idea what they mean, but I do mean to find out and I mean to sort it out.
The above quote seems to be the nub of the problem and if Changa or Leon don't wish to participate any further in the discussion( because they feel they may be sued??), I can't see any resolution.
I'll make an offer to any of the interested parties; I'll channel any questions or statements they wish to make, via Pm to me, to Peter through this forum, and that will make them anonymous.
Take the offer in the spirit that it's given, as I'm completely unbiased.
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