Even if that was the case (I find it hard to believe the load capacity is 600kg including engines) the PPB incident with 2 adults and a child would have been about the maximum load.
Not on our HH boats. All boats are different and all boat builders have different ABP with different regs requirements based on the build/design of the vessel. I would think that 2/3 persons in a 650 EVO which is almost 7m long wouldnt be a problem. Maybe find what the plate on an 650 EVO actually states. Cheers Phil. _________________ www.portphillipboatingcentre.com.au
yep if you see what a Southerly wind does up there against the current it creates a horrible sea and short steep waves can appear out of nowhere. i think the conditions on the day were 15-20 knots from the south that had been blowing for a day or so already. this boat was only 6.5m and maybe they felt invincible but i think any trailer boat would have been trouble.
were there any other trailerboats out on that day ? _________________ cheer's
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:07 pm Post subject: Re:
Julian1 wrote:
yep if you see what a Southerly wind does up there against the current it creates a horrible sea and short steep waves can appear out of nowhere. i think the conditions on the day were 15-20 knots from the south that had been blowing for a day or so already. this boat was only 6.5m and maybe they felt invincible but i think any trailer boat would have been trouble.
were there any other trailerboats out on that day ?
Yep, there were.
Ironically I was at the ramp setting up my riggers before launching when these guys arrived and launched their boat.
There was a black 650R that launched just before us as well.
At the same time, a HH650 Classic arrived on the water and we got speaking to one of their crew.
They got half way to the Car Park and decided to turn back.
We took that as good advice.
One of my mates was also out there with us. He was in a 25 footer and also decided not to go wide.
We headed out anyway and had a troll around for a few hours for some bonnies, which we froze and kept for skips in the coming days.
within a few nm of the ligthouse wasnt too bad. SE from memory about, 15kn.
We came in afterwards and anchored in Shoal Bay, had our lunch and a relaxing afternoon.
after retrieving the boat, we saw the Westpac chopper was landing at the footy ground opposite Wests.
Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:35 pm Post subject: Re:
P.P.B.C. wrote:
So what you are saying that 3 people is to many what with regards to weight?
Bloody oath if for arguements sake they all weighed 150 kg each
That's alot of weight transfer for most boats to cope with
Once went to the aid of a quintrex tinny [flare was let off] under 6 meters out wide on the shelf 3 fat bastards in the boat i just shook my head when i saw the boat lean with gunnel dropping down to water level when 2 of the guys went to one side of the boat.
Conditions were oil that day lucky for those guys they had no working radio etc.
So i radio'd in their co-ords & hung around the area till police boat arrived to tow them in.
Weight is not a prob in most boats
Weight transfer is a different story _________________ **************************
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I finally got my hands on a plate which in this case stated 970kg as the max for persons, gear and engine which is right. So the 600kg that I saw on a plate was obviously a misprint in the plate which makes far more sense. Not sure about the current plates but the earlier boats were hand engraved numbers. So at least that piece of the puzzle is now solved.
I personally would be happy to consider that one incident with a boat rolling over could very easily and possibly rightly be explained as operator error. But a second event in completely different conditions with the same outcome is in my opinion cause for alarm. 2 separate incidents in 2 separate and very different curcumstances with the same outcome.
When was the last 680 Patriot rollover? Or a Caribbean Reef Runner? Or a Cruisecraft 685? I've never heard of one (doesn't mean it hasn't happened though).
I'm not out to bring grief to anyone. But if they were my boats I would be worried and want to fully investigate the matter. I'm a bit surprised at the overall belief that it's operator error in each case and no consideration that the boat could be at fault. Why would people be so closed off to all possibilities?
I hope the solution is found before any more go over.
Remember the two roll overs acurred with two totally different situations and two totaly different conditions. Without personally being in either of the boats at the time it is impossible to determine if there was a boat fault or other factors at play.
IMO I doubt there is anything wrong with the boat it is just the nature of the beast. My earlier post about ultimate stability relates to this, whilst it is possible to design a boat that will self right even when upside down (practically impossible to capsize) it will not have good intial stability and probably wouldn't make a good fishing rig.
3 x 150kg in a 650 HH still ok as the plate say so JG. Maybe the guys you saved from certain death were from the biggest loser _________________ www.portphillipboatingcentre.com.au
Plates on boats are ridiculous they are designed to give indication in dead flat calm water & they are to generous in my book.
Like i said carrying the weight is not a prob
Transfering that weight is a different story
Boats like cats come into their own in regards to weight transfer they balance
HH"s well with deadrise they are built on wouldn't rate them @ low revs/drift
Have no probs having 3 on one side of boat on my tub boat hardly moves but it's a solid goat try that in a tinny of similar size esp one built with flared out sides different story _________________ **************************
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well with deadrise they are built on wouldn't rate them @ low revs/drift