I also carry a PLB inside my stormy seas jacket equipped with gps. Luike said above they cost same than a 1/2 decent reel. Often not enough time to grab a epirb.
Might just save me and my mates or kid one day and worth every cent.
Would rather own a plb than an extra outfiit but 99.9 % guys wont do that _________________
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Its Gotta Be Red
Peter
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 5:36 pm Post subject: Re:
thewalrus wrote:
It was mentioned earlier that 2 Evo's had rolled over. Has anyone actually contacted the manufacturer and found out the reason why the first rolled ?? If they did and saw the maritime report perhaps they could then comment with actual facts.
Until the report on the second incident is finalised, everyone's comments are pure supposition, unless of course you were in the boat, and no one yet has said they were. So fess up if all of you saying it did this, and it did that, if you were in the boat and really know what happened. Of course the information you have comes from your best mates, cousin's, sister's uncles, brother, so of course it just has to be accurate.
Go into records of all maritime incidents involving small craft. How often is the actual design of the craft at fault? How often does the boat actually break without having been abused. Nearly all "accidents" are the result of negligence, incompetence, inexperience, or just plain stupidity of the skipper.
So as I said before, try and wait for the facts of what happened, instead of sledging any manufacturer, that happens to have a boat involved in an "accident" with comment based on rumour and supposition.
Hi thewalrus was there a conclusion to what happen regarding the evo at Patterson River because on that day the conditions were flat.
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: Re:
ribbit wrote:
I also carry a PLB inside my stormy seas jacket equipped with gps. Luike said above they cost same than a 1/2 decent reel. Often not enough time to grab a epirb.
Might just save me and my mates or kid one day and worth every cent.
Would rather own a plb than an extra outfiit but 99.9 % guys wont do that
Hey Peter, don't know much about PLB's. What sort do you have and are you happy with it?
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:01 pm Post subject: Re:
thewalrus wrote:
Nearly all "accidents" are the result of negligence, incompetence, inexperience, or just plain stupidity of the skipper.
agree totally, also I think more often than not it is experienced skippers rather than inexperienced, that get into trouble with bad weather,unless there is an unpredicted change that catches out everyone,it is those with experience that will push the boundaries where the newby will stay home or fish in fairweather.
just a thought anyway _________________ If it sounds too good to be true, its because
IT IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:06 am Post subject: Re:
catcher cold wrote:
Quote:
that chopper should have been dispatched in minutes.
If its available, then yes. They're not just there to rescue boaties. It could have been at a vehicle crash site, it could have already been on task chasing false beacons, it could have been up flying for 2 hours trying to get a fix on their actual beacon. Any number of reasons why it wasn't there in a few minutes.
Please remember that helicopters also have to take into account the weather conditions. You might be in the sea bobbing around as a result of going out in crap conditions, but the same weather conditions could also keep the aircraft on the ground for several hours.
Just because your activate your beacon, doesn't mean rescue will happen immediately !
Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:33 am Post subject: Re:
Chrome Dome wrote:
catcher cold wrote:
Quote:
that chopper should have been dispatched in minutes.
If its available, then yes. They're not just there to rescue boaties. It could have been at a vehicle crash site, it could have already been on task chasing false beacons, it could have been up flying for 2 hours trying to get a fix on their actual beacon. Any number of reasons why it wasn't there in a few minutes.
Please remember that helicopters also have to take into account the weather conditions. You might be in the sea bobbing around as a result of going out in crap conditions, but the same weather conditions could also keep the aircraft on the ground for several hours.
Just because your activate your beacon, doesn't mean rescue will happen immediately !
Three hours in the drink, with that temperature water, would probably have killed them. These blokes were on a cliff, that would have been cold enough.
The important thing I've learnt from this, is the GPS epirbs give your position immediately to the search and rescue blokes, LEO satellites may need two passes to fix your position for non GPS and that will be, most likely, the satellite that picks up your signal in VIC and Tassie , time you might not have.
I've got a plb that I carry on me, as well as the boat epirb, but neither are GPS, and from what I've learnt, The GPS models are the only way to go.
Assuming that operator error may be a function of the outcome of this recent incident, what other aspects are being considered as contributory factors? Are there any links to be made between both rollover incidents? Are these incidents statistically significant for the brand or the industry as a whole? What other considerations require credence? Is there a link between both incidents? Are they totally unrelated? Are personal biases blocking objective perspectives??
I think the main thing here is be perpared and dont take any chances. These guys were lucky in the end and from what i here wouldnt have made much difference as to what boat they were in. aa2012 the answer to one of your question is the two incidents would be unrelated as one was in dead clam water the other in conditions that no trailer boat should be in. All boats have there limits and driven correctly shouldnt be a problem its only when we try to push these limits we come unstuck. not the boats fault IMO. Cheers Phil. _________________ www.portphillipboatingcentre.com.au
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